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hackedX99
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 Posted - 10/24/2009 : 5:00:47 PM
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Ok, here is the deal
I have a HDTV 52 inch LCD to watch TV on.
Now I am getting another computer and what I am considering is using
my TV as my monitor for my computer. So I can watch TV and surf the internet. I have hooked laptops up to the TV before thru VGA. The quality was good but not HD good.
The TV supports all the ports like DVI , HDMI , component, composite ,..etc ( I am thinking a graphics card that has an HDMI plug would be a start )
What I am curious of is what graphics card is good to beable to display HD video on my HDTV from my computer? I am even thinking of installing a blue ray RW drive in my computer so I would like to utilize the best quality image I can.
My ownly stipulation would be keeping the graphics card under or at around $300
My computer is going to be 64 bit, 6Gig's of memory , AMD phantom II processor 2.5 ghz , and somewhere around 700 gigs of harddrive space (the harddrive is not really an issue since I can always get another usb or internal one with more space at anytime)
The computer is going to have built in wireless nic as well as wired nic
My keyboard and mouse are going to be wireless so I can sit on the couch and watch tv and surf the internet.
The OS is going to be windows 7 professional.
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dualdflipflop
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Posted - 10/24/2009 : 7:59:15 PM
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My opinion is, save another hundred for the graphics card and get the ATI 5870. It's powered by ATI Eyefinity Technology and DirectX 11 compatible. I'll guarantee, you're TV can't support the maximum resolution this card can throw at it. Hell... later this year, the next version of this card will have 6 DVI ports you can support up to 6 30" full HDTVs. This card can do a theoretical 8000x8000 pixel per card. Nothing currently touches this card.
I'm usually not a fan of ATI, but read more, and you'll see why I like this particular card. |
P.S. This is what part of the alphabet would look like with Q and R eliminated. |
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grmnasasin0227
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Posted - 10/24/2009 : 8:22:55 PM
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His CPU would be a massive bottleneck. HDMI with GPUs is really buggy, it's very hit-or-miss, even though it's advertised to work no problems. Yes, the 5870 is the best GPU on the market, but it's also artificially inflated in price because it has no direct competitor; it is certainly not worth the $380 they charge for it. Get a 4890...$200, loses to the 285 but you're just using it for an HDTV and HDMI, so it won't matter since the resolution of such TVs is terrible.
As for the sound card, get an Auzentech AZT-Forte, uses a PCI-e x1 slot. If you've only got a PCI to spare, use an HT Omega Claro. |
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hackedX99
Omega Member
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Posted - 10/24/2009 : 10:34:43 PM
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Ok , I am a little confused when you say
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you're just using it for an HDTV and HDMI, so it won't matter since the resolution of such TVs is terrible.
I have this
52in 1080p sony bravia HD
What is much better then this ? Anyway I just want a graphics card that will be compatiple with this TV. (i.e utitlize all of it's functionality while not bogging down the computer ???)
I think the $380 is a little much considering if grmnasasin0227 is right in bogging down the computer?
Also I was thinking of getting a blue ray RW drive put into the computer. Is this really needed (will it improve the quality drastically ) . Currently I have a HD DVD player that supports HDMI but I am wondering what the difference of putting a movie into the DVD player of a computer as opposed to the HD DVD player I bought.
Is the DVD players of a standard computer less quality then the HD DVD player?
Thanks still not sure on the graphics card. But for the sound card I am thinking of getting surround sound for the TV. So I would like a sound card that would support good sound thru my computer
Thanks
BTW The computer I am looking at comes with ATI Radeon HD 4200 graphics with 512 mbytes memory would this be good enough? |
Edited by - hackedX99 on 10/24/2009 10:46:01 PM |
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grmnasasin0227
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Posted - 10/25/2009 : 01:39:55 AM
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Ah. Sorry for assuming, most TV's res' are total shit. That's a decent res. Yeah, get the 4890, it's amazing performance for the cost.
WAIT. I just reread your post on the CPU you have. There is no "Phantom" line. Do you mean "Phenom"? If so, please disregard my statement about a bottleneck, you will be fine as it's a quad core. Even so, the 4890 is the best bang for buck GPU on the market.
Blu-ray will help tremendously with quality.
Still, for the sound it really depends on which interface you have open, PCI or PCI-e. I would highly recommend the Auzentech Forte, it does 7.1 no problems. |
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hackedX99
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Posted - 10/25/2009 : 11:52:32 AM
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Yes your right I misspelled it is phenom so their will be no bottleneck cool.
I have also considered a computer with
intel core 2 quad processor Q8300 would this be as good as the phenom one? Or another words would it give any bottleneck?
Because if I go with this computer I get 8 gig's of memory instead of 6 gig's and it is on sale for a $150 or so less!
I get 750 gig's of harddrive space as well?
It is the HP Pavillon desktop original price at $699.98
640F/828333
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grmnasasin0227
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Posted - 10/25/2009 : 1:16:31 PM
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| The Intel Core 2 Quad line and the AMD Phenom II line trade blows. I would, however, recommend the Q8300 PC because its memory configuration is proper, versus the 705e/905e (depending on if it's an X3 or an X4)'s 2x2GB + 2x1GB. This stresses the NB more than necessary, hybrid DIMMs are to be avoided. |
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TacoBandito
Omega Member
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Posted - 10/25/2009 : 11:30:06 PM
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Originally posted by grmnasasin0227
The Intel Core 2 Quad line and the AMD Phenom II line trade blows. I would, however, recommend the Q8300 PC because its memory configuration is proper, versus the 705e/905e (depending on if it's an X3 or an X4)'s 2x2GB + 2x1GB. This stresses the NB more than necessary, hybrid DIMMs are to be avoided.
At least for now, and I've seen the benchmarks, Intel>AMD. Pretty much any comparable intel will be better than an AMD.
If you plan on doing any gaming at all, I'd recommend going for the 5000 series, because of DX11 support. if ALL YOU WANT is the HD movies, then you'd wanna go with the 4870 or 4890. |
You can't trick me with all your computer lingo, young man! Tell me, how many Jiggawatts does this thing have? |
Edited by - TacoBandito on 10/25/2009 11:30:58 PM |
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hackedX99
Omega Member
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 02:44:55 AM
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If you plan on doing any gaming at all, I'd recommend going for the 5000 series, because of DX11 support. if ALL YOU WANT is the HD movies, then you'd wanna go with the 4870 or 4890.
How about if you want use your 52in TV as your monitor for your computer not to play movies thru? Would the fact that you use HDMI on your graphics card or VGA on it effect the quality of the image when surfing the web.
I have noticed when I use my old laptops VGA port to connect to the TV the words in some cases are fuzzy a little bit.
I would really just like the webpages , Os Desktop , monitor images ...etc etc to display really crystal clear. I didn't know if this is effected by the graphics card supporting really good resolution or the fact that you are using the HDMI port. Or if the speed at which it draws the background 60 , 120 , 240 Hz comes into play.
What I am think of doing in the end is probably just use my HD DVD player to play my movies and not watch movies thru my computer.
Then I won't get the blue ray player yet and I won't need a top of the line graphics/soundcard.
So what would you recommend (GPU , ...etc) for just surfing the web from the computer and displaying it on the TV?
my laptop best resolution was 1028 by 800 so it was sort of small on the 52in screen and some times blurry. Wondering if it is the resolution then could you get a graphics card to match the resolution of the 52in screen would it need to be 1280 by 1024 ...???
I am think the resolution controls the quality of the screen so you would need matching resolution to make the image take up the whole screen. I am wondering the if you have matching resolution then what would be the benifit of using a specific port over the other like HDMI over VGA ,...etc ??? Won't they be both supplying the same amount of pixel data because the resolution controls how many pixels are used or how fine each pixel is colored to ,...etc ?
Maybe I am missing something sorry for the wording just wanted to get all my thoughts out their.
Thanks for your helps so far.
I do think I am going to go with the intel over the AMD. But I want to get the right graphics card with the correct intel chip that won't bottleneck the system when displaying the screen. |
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grmnasasin0227
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 05:45:27 AM
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Originally posted by TacoBandito
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Originally posted by grmnasasin0227
The Intel Core 2 Quad line and the AMD Phenom II line trade blows. I would, however, recommend the Q8300 PC because its memory configuration is proper, versus the 705e/905e (depending on if it's an X3 or an X4)'s 2x2GB + 2x1GB. This stresses the NB more than necessary, hybrid DIMMs are to be avoided.
At least for now, and I've seen the benchmarks, Intel>AMD. Pretty much any comparable intel will be better than an AMD.
If you plan on doing any gaming at all, I'd recommend going for the 5000 series, because of DX11 support. if ALL YOU WANT is the HD movies, then you'd wanna go with the 4870 or 4890.
While that is generally the case, these two architectures consistently trade blows. They are basically equal in performance.
Any quadcore OC'ed to 3.0+ won't be a bottleneck for a GPU released thus far. It really depends on if you just demand something now, or if you want to future proof. As has been stated, the 5000 series is compatible with DX11, the new standard for Windows 7. No other cards on the market will do that. That said, it's useless if you're just watching movies and shit, it's totally irrelevant...it will only make a difference in games so if you're just doing movies, get whatever the hell you want with an HDMI port. If however you're looking to future proof your PC for the time being, look into DX11 cards...I would wait for nVidia's GT300 line to drop so that prices all around are more competitive, you will save tons this way since ATI's cards are artificially inflated with no competitor. |
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TacoBandito
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 11:18:36 AM
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Originally posted by grmnasasin0227
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Originally posted by TacoBandito
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Originally posted by grmnasasin0227
The Intel Core 2 Quad line and the AMD Phenom II line trade blows. I would, however, recommend the Q8300 PC because its memory configuration is proper, versus the 705e/905e (depending on if it's an X3 or an X4)'s 2x2GB + 2x1GB. This stresses the NB more than necessary, hybrid DIMMs are to be avoided.
At least for now, and I've seen the benchmarks, Intel>AMD. Pretty much any comparable intel will be better than an AMD.
If you plan on doing any gaming at all, I'd recommend going for the 5000 series, because of DX11 support. if ALL YOU WANT is the HD movies, then you'd wanna go with the 4870 or 4890.
While that is generally the case, these two architectures consistently trade blows. They are basically equal in performance.
Any quadcore OC'ed to 3.0+ won't be a bottleneck for a GPU released thus far. It really depends on if you just demand something now, or if you want to future proof. As has been stated, the 5000 series is compatible with DX11, the new standard for Windows 7. No other cards on the market will do that. That said, it's useless if you're just watching movies and shit, it's totally irrelevant...it will only make a difference in games so if you're just doing movies, get whatever the hell you want with an HDMI port. If however you're looking to future proof your PC for the time being, look into DX11 cards...I would wait for nVidia's GT300 line to drop so that prices all around are more competitive, you will save tons this way since ATI's cards are artificially inflated with no competitor.
Once the Nvidia cards drop that 5000 series gpu will be a lot cheaper. He's right in that if your looking to web-browse and thats it, then any gpu you can buy on newegg should be fine (again as long as it has the hdmi port)
additionally, the nvidia 9600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121320) is a great choice if your looking to do a little bit of gaming, otherwise you could go with an ATI 4350 which is suuper cheap right now ($34) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127436
If you have a regular old PCI expressx16 (not the 2.0 one) you could go with this - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127412 Since PCI express x16 is an aging tech, it's harder to find them at a decent price, if at all. All of the above listed cards have an HDMI slot.
Hope this helps! |
You can't trick me with all your computer lingo, young man! Tell me, how many Jiggawatts does this thing have? |
Edited by - TacoBandito on 10/26/2009 11:29:18 AM |
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hackedX99
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 2:13:14 PM
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In my last post I had mentioned some questions about what effects the quality i.e resolution ,...port ,....etc
I am still wondering what graphics card would be good enough so I can use the 52in sony bravia lcd HD tv for my monitor.
What I want is the monitor image to take up the full screen and be crystal clear on the 52in TV.
Forget playing games or watching movies thru the computer. I think I will just watch movies thru my HD dvd player or get a seperate blue ray player at a later date.
My main consern is have crappy quality or slow imaging to the TV screen or bottlenecking the machine so that the machine is running ass slow.
If this is not going to be an issue with any graphics card or cpu then I don't really care I would get the cheaper stuff.
As well if I use my 52in as a display for my computer I want the words to be large to read from a distance. Not something that has tiny letters but is really good resolution. I want it to use the whole tv up and be readable from the couch which is 8ft to 10ft away with crystal clear resolution.
I am think this is controled by how good the GPU resolution can be. But I don't know what controls the largeness of the words and image?
I am either going for an HP or dell machine and I want
wireless NIC and bluetooth builtin.
6 to 8 gig's of memory
DVD/CD RW drive
harddrive around 600/700 gigs but this doesn't really matter because harddrives are cheap and I can always get a usb one for extra later.
the graphics card/sound card/cpu can be anything just so long as the cpu is fast , the graphics card is good enough to display the monitor and internet images crystal clear with out slowing the machine and the sound card any one that plays regular quality music.
So when everybody is in a agreement with a machine on one of the HP or dell sites let me know. I want to keep it under or at around $1000
or $900 when all is said and done.
I am also going with windows 7 professional for the OS so factor that in to.
Note that I am not going with a monitor so I am just going to buy the box and use the TV for the monitor so that should drop at least $200 more dollar to use on something else.
Don't get me wrong but I don't mean I want crappy GPU , sound card , cpu. I just don't want to be paying a fortune for it. Obviously a run alot of programs so if one of the 3 had to win out alittle it would be the cpu , gpu , soundcard in highest to lowest order.
I am getting a wireless mouse and keyboard but don't worry about that issue I will take care of that seperately at a latter date.
Plus this is usually the cheap part $50/$60 bucks and your done.
If it happens to go a little over $1000 like $1050 or $1100 that is ok I guess but the main objective is $900 to $1000. |
Edited by - hackedX99 on 10/26/2009 2:23:50 PM |
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TacoBandito
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 5:44:15 PM
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Well, assuming that your TV can handle 1920x1080 from the computer (Keep in mind that while a TV may be able to handle that resolution from the wall, it may not from a PC) any of the cards I linked will be able to handle that resolution no problem.
As far as the video quality is concerned (That is, between DVI and HDMI) there is really no difference between the two. But, of course, there is always the problem of buying a shitty cable from some backwoods company. Try to stick to a name brand cable and you shouldn't have a problem.
Also, the HDMI cables are slightly cheaper than a DVI, and you can use that same cable with your ps3, or bluray player, so I would go with the HDMI.
EDIT: as a side note, on windows 7 you can hold the control key, and scroll your mouse wheel to adjust font, make the icons bigger or smaller, etc....
I'm not sure how far you want to go from the computer to the TV, but you always want to have a little extra slack in that line. That being said you can pick up a 16' HDMI cable for $10
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812189055
ANOTHER EDIT: If you're going to pay for a quad core, a 4870 or 4890, and you have 8gb or so of ram you might as well buy a blu-ray disc drive, as there A LOT cheaper than a blu-ray player. You can save at least $100 and you can use that to fund your meth habit.
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You can't trick me with all your computer lingo, young man! Tell me, how many Jiggawatts does this thing have? |
Edited by - TacoBandito on 10/26/2009 6:14:44 PM |
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grmnasasin0227
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 6:38:30 PM
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| Hah--are you kidding? Companies fuck you OVER for HDMI cables. Best Buy charges you something like $20 for a goddamn piece of copper in some rubber, plus you have to get another cable too for the sound to work in HDMI...GPU and sound card are connected, then go to the TV. Also, neither the 9600 nor the 4350 have the guts to push the frames necessary for solid viewing at 1080p...it just won't happen. |
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hackedX99
Omega Member
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Posted - 10/27/2009 : 8:25:11 PM
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I need semi agreement about what GPU , CPU are good to not bottleneck the computer and beable to display 1080p to my 52in sony bravia lcd tv.
I am not going to play moives thru my computer or games thru my computer to the 52in screen just want the screen to be crystal clear and when I surf the web it to beable to look great on my 52in.
(movie clips from the internet should be a good quality , pictures ,...etc though)
Everything else is bonus
I would like the image to take a hold of the complete functionality of the TV though. i.e the screen image takes up the whole tv screen....etc |
Edited by - hackedX99 on 10/27/2009 8:27:39 PM |
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neophytezer0
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Posted - 10/30/2009 : 12:47:49 AM
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hey hackedX99.
Normally, your TV will limit the resolution coming in on the VGA port to 800x600, or if you are lucky 1024x768. Check your TV manual for the specs on the port.
Using HDMI or DVI will definitely allow the correct resolutions pass, assuming your TV will let a computer connect via those ports. (My in-laws TV would not allow my laptop to connect via HDMI - again, check your TV manual.)
as far as the rest of the PC, it should run great.
as far as the GPU, I would personally go with the new radeons as duald pointed out. you should be able to pick up the 5850 for around $300. |
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